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Merry Teabagging Christmas

10 December, 2009

Teabaggers (and I’m using the political definition, not the sexual one) have a habit of making themselves look idiotic.  Stupid.  Moronic.  Insane.  And they keep finding new and better ways.  Faux New’s war on Christmas meme has permeated the radical right, both political and religious.  So it comes as no surprise that some Teabaggers have now jumped into the WoC, where they will (presumably) be stir fried.

Captured at FailBlog

(This little to do with the post, but I thought it fitting considering the level of idiocy with which we are, as a nation, dealing.)

The Redding Tea Party Patriots are pushing to require all California schools to play Christmas carols (and I presume they are not aiming for Frosty the Snowman, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer, or What Do You Get A Wookie (When He Already Has A Comb).  This is from an article in The Record Spotlight of Redding, California:

Merry Hyatt has found allies in her quest to put an initiative on the ballot next year requiring public schools to play Christmas carols.

Hyatt, who moved to Redding four months ago, said she joined the Redding Tea Party Patriots and recruited several members to help her collect the 433,971 signatures needed by March 29.

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The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn’t followed.

Schools currently are allowed to offer Christmas music as long as it is used for academic purposes rather than devotional purposes and isn’t used to promote a particular religious belief, according to an analysis by the California Legislative Analyst’s Office.

“Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas,” said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. “That’s why we have it. It’s not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It’s like, ‘wow you guys, it’s called Christmas for a reason.’ ”

Ryan said Hyatt’s initiative falls under the umbrella of causes the group supports, which concern limited government, following the constitution and fiscal responsibility.

Yes, Erin Ryan, it is called Christmas for a reason.  It was, originally, a mass said in celebration of Christ.  And it was celebrated near the end of December in order to take advantage of the plethora of winter solstice celebrations, Saturnalia, Mithratic celebrations, and other ‘holy shit it’s dark and cold this time of year’ celebrations to co-opt the pagan festivals.  And it worked.  Very well.  But it is a religious celebration.  For a state government to require (presumably) religious Christmas carols would be quite possibly the most blatant violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States ever:  “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; . . .

And, just out of curiosity, how does government enforcing religious observances in public classrooms fall under the heading of ‘limited government, following the constitution . . .”?

“I have two words to say about Ms. Hyatt’s proposal: blatantly unconstitutional,” said Rob Boston, senior policy analyst for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, which is based in Washington, D.C., and has a local chapter in Sacramento.

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Hyatt, a substitute teacher who moved to Redding from Riverside, said her motivation for the initiative was to help restore children’s moral compasses by inviting Jesus to school Christmas parties.

“He’s the prince of peace; he’s the only one who can get these kids to stop being so violent,” she said in November.

Hyatt said she believes it is Americans’ First Amendment right to worship.

“It’s our right to have freedom to worship,” she said. “That’s why we came to this country. They came to be Christians and they’re trying to take that away. They’re out of line; we’re not.”

Ed Brayton (Dispatches from the Culture Wars over at ScienceBlogs) handles this last bit quite nicely:

Which explains why the United States, which is far more Christian than any other Western industrialized nation — by a huge margin — is also by far the most violent of those nations. But thank you for ducking in to the punch of the Lemon test’s purpose prong.–snip

Of course the first amendment protects your right to worship. But that has precisely nothing to do with what’s taught in school. There’s a word for those who can’t understand the distinction: Idiots.

It’s not the government’s job to provide you a place to worship. It’s certainly not the government’s job to force non-Christians to take part in your worship activities – that’s forbidden by that same first amendment you seem to like so much when it suits your purposes.

As I said at the beginning:  idiots.

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13 comments

  1. Tchah! I’ve come to expect it, really. Just as Gawd seems to agree completely, (or eerily, or laughably), with people’s pictures of Him, evidently the Constitution does, too.


  2. “Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas,” said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. “That’s why we have it. It’s not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It’s like, ‘wow you guys, it’s called Christmas for a reason.’ “

    No. Christmas is about wasting perfectly good vacation time to go visit relatives that you don’t like, eat too much and, eventually, watch Aunt Ethel hit Aunt Irma in the head with an empty wine bottle. Then you get a sweater that’s too large and too ugly to wear. Then you go home. That’s Christmas. It’s about family.

    “He’s the prince of peace; he’s the only one who can get these kids to stop being so violent,” she said in November.

    Isn’t a bedrock of conservatism officially “personal responsibility”? And aren’t they for the parents raising the child, rather than the State?


  3. Erin Ryan is the stupidest spokesperson from the Society for the Defense of Christmas&trade I’ve read about this year. It’s early, though – an even more spectacular spokesperson may yet crawl out from under a rock and snag the title right out from under Erin’s nose.


  4. ‘He’s the prince of peace; he’s the only one who can get these kids to stop being so violent’

    Jesus, the so-called son of a Genocidal, hypocritical, incest promoting, polygamy promoting (for a while) (I myself have no issue with polygamy as long as all partners agree), Unmerciful, Unloving god who will kill someone for picking a stick up on Saturday (Sabbath, Jewish) or Sunday (The Lord’s Day, Christians), promote peace? He wasn’t peaceful in the bible. He threatened the Pharisees, the money-lenders in the temple, his followers had hidden swords, (Peter I think, and therefore others too), even his choice of words when Pontius Pilate asked him if he was the son of god, were a veiled threat to the Romans. A simple ‘Yes’ Or ‘No’ would have been better and been more credible. The most peaceful thing Jesus did was refuse to allow the stoning of a women of which there wasn’t enough witnesses by Jewish law to stone her (Must be at least two Men who are proven trustworthy.). He may not have went out of his way to kill people, but he was a Strickler for the Jewish laws,which were written by a vengeful, violent god. I think that a true promoter of peace would be promoting non-violence, re-educating the violent to be non-violent, and generally being more of a loving type than an malevolent, idiotic, childish type. Here is an example, in the bible God tells us to not hold the child accountable for their father’s sin, yet still holds everybody accountable for Adam and Eve’s. Cain and Able should have immediately been brought into the Garden of Eden after birth and raised by the Angels, since they should have been innocent if YHWH were truly a loving God and followed what he expected us to follow because his word is supposed to be Righteous and Holy and you sin by breaking his word. If he can break his own word and it not count as sin, then why treat us to a different standard? His word is law, breaking it is sin. He breaks it, yet Christians and Jews and Muslims say he cannot sin because he created everything. I’m just going in circles now, but I hope you saw what I mean.

    ‘It’s our right to have freedom to worship,” she said. “That’s why we came to this country. They came to be Christians and they’re trying to take that away. They’re out of line; we’re not.’

    The Freemasons, some theists, and some Deists wrote the U.S. Constitution based upon some existing Freemason beliefs. Which included Freedom of Worship (Including Non-Belief). So no, Freemasons were the founding faith, not Christianity.

    I apologize for the long rant, but it pisses me off to read this.


  5. The courts, the liberal activist courts the ones who pay no attention to th eoriginal intent of hte Christians who wrote the constitution, have again and again said that it is okay for public schools to sing Christmas carols at school. Why pick on someone who rightly wants children to experience there heritage? Obeying the law isn’t makeing anyone an idiot. You should rethink your position with a view towards the writers of the constitution, the law of the land, and the Truth and Law of our heritage.

    Merry Christmas!


    • Very Few Christians had any say in the constitution, it was written by a Congress consisting mostly of Freemasons. This is verified in historical documentation. Mostly autobiographies of the Congressmen and biographies written by their contemporaries.
      I myself want children to experience their history as it has actually happened. That is recorded events backed up by sufficient evidence. And before you say the bible is backed up by evidence, the only shred of non-faked evidence, OUTSIDE THE BIBLE,is a record by the Romans of a radical rabbi named Jesus causing civil unrest and even then it’s validity is at question, not because it mentions Jesus but because of money-greedy collectors faking inscriptions on artifacts that are related to biblical and other religious texts. Any religious book needs secular mention of the events portrayed to even be considered Truth or else all you have is a book of FICTION because no matter how much you believe, it is not backed up by fact. My VERY Christian Conservative High School understood this and had all the books of all religions grouped up in an area that was set aside from the Non-Fiction and Fiction areas and was labeled Religious(All versions of The Bible Included). The only reason we had a special section is because of the fact that if we grouped them in the fiction, we’d have had fundies trying to burn the school down and it would have been dishonest to group any of them in Non-Fiction because, as fundies know, you need faith not evidence to believe, but you need substantial evidence to put a book in non-fiction if it deals with history. I know of course the fundies will ignore the point of what I’m trying to get across because they are worried about going to hell if they even doubt for a second the ”truth” of God’s word and so will ignore any evidence presented. If their is a God then He/She/It is most definitely not any god/goddess/deity of any religion or faith that we have. If you look at the laws that nature follows, animals hunt only for food, they live with who they love, regardless of genders,and seem to respect even those who they dislike. I’m not saying that we as Humans should follow what the animals do, but I’d think that if their is a God, then He/She/it would at least ensure that the animals do not sin.


      • No, a few of our Founding Fathers were deistic Christians, but still Christians. The vast majority were Christians. Why do atheists always claim that our Founding Fathers were athiest? Atheistism was not even around yet as Darwin was not yet around. But I guess if you claim we came from animals then history really doesnt matter to you, does it?


  6. Matthew, for once, is right. Most of the FFs were Christians (some of whom were, by Christian standards, heretics, but that’s another matter).
    Some of them were Freemasons (which, up to the late 1800s all Masonic groups required a belief in a Creator. Christian yes. Deist yes. Atheist no).

    Also, Matthew, as usual, is wrong. The Constitution was clearly intended to be a secular document, buttressed by the “behind the scenes” of the Federalist Papers (warning: the illustrated version is a little blue).


  7. I’ve got to highlight two gems from Matthew:

    Gem #1:

    Atheistism was not even around yet as Darwin was not yet around.

    That is hilarious. The second gem is just as good:

    Gem #2:

    …if you claim we came from animals then history really doesnt matter to you, does it?

    Thank you, Matthew, from the bottom of my heart, for the best laugh I’ve had all weekend! You, sir, are a theist treasure.


  8. Postie: As long as we are living up to Gawd’s expectations. I guess as sinners, right?

    MO: I guess I forget that, for some people, seeing family is not all it is cracked up to be. Then again, I live in Pennsylvania, my parents are in Maine, (((Wife)))’s parents are in Florida, so I guess that abscense makes the heart grow fonder.

    Chappie: The company with the CHRIST-mas tree, though not teabag spokespersons, are way up there on the weird-shit-o-meter.

    Nyoga: Welcome to my blog. It pisses me off too. That’s why I write about it.

    Matthew: Christmas carols are okay in schools. Forcing schools to use specifically religious songs is one of the clearest violations of the 1st ammendment I have seen in recent years.

    MO: Good points.

    Chappie: He is amusing, neh?


  9. No problem (((Billy))), I saw Matthew and another fundy’s posts from earlier and couldn’t fathom the intellectual suicide needed to be that dumb. Contradictions within a few sentences, missing the point of an argument, and a hell of a lot of logical fallacies. Whew, I’m surprised more posts haven’t wound up on FSTDT.

    Matthew: I have no issues with Christmas carols being sung. I do care about history, because as Homo Sapiens, we have developed an interest in our past because our cognitive skills have evolved enough to allow us to run on higher reasoning and not just instinct. This allows for us to question everything we know instead of just eating it, running away from it, etc. History matters to me because we wish to know where we came from and history, NOT BLIND FAITH, is a much better teacher about our origins. I try to look at every historical event from a secular perspective. So as to make the facts easier to sort out.

    and my info on the founders was from the History channel, so I’m not surprised if it wasn’t that accurate (I have seen them air completely fraudulent finds and only after several complaints from educated people pull the program and air a new one with the honest findings). By the way, a Deist believes a God created the universe and set up the laws for the function of it, but does not interfere with it, which meas Deism is it’s own religion. Therefore a Christian Diest or anything besides just plain Deist is an oxymoron, it just cannot be. I say this a someone who was a Deist for a few years after leaving Christianity. Oh, and I never said they were Atheist as the concept wasn’t around at that time.
    (Kudos is due for somebody to figure out what my Name means. The first half is Japanese, the second is Aramaic.)


    • Actually “atheism” (no capitalization, thank you) has been around for a very long time. Some Greeks were pretty much atheists (although the philosophical school escapes me at the moment. Atomists, maybe?), but the term “atheism” was generally used to denote those that didn’t accept whatever the official religion was (to Romans Christians were atheists, etc), which sort of fits, as those that believe in the wrong gods tend (syncretism aside) to not believe in the right ones.


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