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Feel That Christian Love

5 December, 2009

Christianity is a religion of, supposedly, love.  The love of god (and if you don’t love him back in the right way, he will sentence you to an eternity torment.  The love of children (and you can even let them starve while waiting for god to provide).  The love towards one’s enemy (specifically, Christians would love them to die).

One of the most egregious Christianist asshats has been a certain Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, California.  He has asked his sheeple to pray for the death of various individuals.  Americans United for Separation of Church and State has been a particular bete noire:

In light of the recent attack from the enemies of God I ask the children of God to go into action with Imprecatory Prayer. Especially against Americans United for Separation of Church and State. I made an attempt to go to them via Matt 18:15 but they refused to talk to me. Specifically target Joe Conn or Jeremy Learing. (from Christian NewsWire)

Drake  is not, of course, limited in his spell-casting death wishes.  He has also raised some eyebrows asking for the death of ‘the usurper’ (from Little Green Footballs):

Asked if there are others for whom Drake is praying “imprecatory prayer,” Drake hesitated before answering that there are several. “The usurper that is in the White House is one, B. Hussein Obama,” he said.

Later in the interview, Colmes returned to Drake’s answer to make sure he heard him right.

“Are you praying for his death?” Colmes asked.

“Yes,” Drake replied.

“So you’re praying for the death of the president of the United States?”

“Yes.”

Colmes asked Drake if he was concerned that by saying that he might be placed on a Secret Service or FBI watch list, and if he believed it appropriate to talk or pray that way.

“I think it’s appropriate to pray the Word of God,” Drake said. “I’m not saying anything. What I am doing is repeating what God is saying, and if that puts me on somebody’s list, then I’ll just have to be on their list.”

“You would like for the president of the United States to die?” Colmes asked once more.

“If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that’s correct.”

Drake has expressed surprise that anyone would be upset that he is praying, and is asking other to pray, for the death of the President of the United States of America.  After all,

“Imprecatory prayer is agreeing with God, and if people don’t like that, they need to talk to God,” Drake told syndicated talk-show host Alan Colmes. “God said it, I didn’t. I was just agreeing with God.” (from abpnews)

Well, there you go.  Drake isn’t asking god to strike President Obama down.  God has already decided to do that (sometime (apparently) in the next 30 to 60 years (or so)) and Drake is merely agreeing with his personal vision of a sociopathic god.  But, obviously, if he agrees with god, then that must be absolute and unchangeable.

It must be nice to be a radical right wing Christian dominionist and be able to hypocrosize freely.  Because now Drake has asked his followers to disagree with god and stop praying for Barack Obama’s death (from Americans United):

Wiley Drake . . . has issued a press release calling for the end to an “imprecatory prayer” for President Barack Obama’s death.

No, Drake was not overcome with the holiday spirit. Instead, he has received some “spiritual guidance” that made him realize Obama is worth more alive.

He is now “calling for all of God’s people and prayer warriors to cease the imprecatory prayer, and pray for Mr. Obama’s protection until he can be properly tried for treason.”

It’s as if Drake didn’t think the public thought he was crazy enough, he now has changed his tune to be an even bigger joke.

Drake was convinced by a video message from James David Manning, a man even more batshit crazy than Wiley Drake:

What’s more is that his revelation to keep Obama alive and well came from watching a video of James David Manning, pastor at ATLAH World Missionary Church in New York. Manning, who gives Drake a run for his money in the cuckoo department, once referred to Obama during a sermon as “trash” and a “long legged mack daddy,” slang for someone who provides prostitutes.

Drake says he was persuaded to drop the death prayers by a video message Manning recorded on Nov. 18. On the video, Manning, addressing Obama, says, “I do not want to see anyone attempt, dream about, think about or ever discuss assassinating you. It is most important to you and to my savior Jesus that you live, and that you live a long life, but that you live that we might be able to bring you to trial. You see, if someone does you harm, and you are not able to be brought to trial, then we lose the opportunity of proving our statements that you are not the president of the United States of America. You are not. You are an illegal alien, a usurper.”

I just love right wing hypocrisizing:  first Drake Manning [thank you, Matthew] says he does “not want to see anyone attempt, dream about, think about or ever discuss assassinating” the President.  Then he follows it up with eliminationist rhetoric, calling our President and illegal alien and a usurper. 

Drake (and Manning) love America (though it would appear that they hate the Constitution of the United States of America and the very idea of participatory democracy).  Drake loves children (so much so that he views women as axlotl tanks with inconveniently active brains).  And Drake loves his ‘enemy’.  Sad when a man’s enemy is the legal leader of the country he professes to love.  Why do radical conservatives, political and religious, profess to love America and then hate virtually every single thing for which America stands?

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  3. “Imprecatory prayer is agreeing with God, and if people don’t like that, they need to talk to God,”

    Susan B. Anthony had these asshats pegged:
    “I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. “


  4. Why do radical conservatives, political and religious, profess to love America and then hate virtually every single thing for which America stands?

    They love their vision of America, not what it actually

    a) was conceived to be, and
    b) is.


  5. You screwed up which is not that big of a surprise.

    first Drake says he does “not want to see anyone attempt, dream about, think about or ever discuss assassinating” the President. Then he follows it up with eliminationist rhetoric, calling our President and illegal alien and a usurper.

    was acutally said by Manning which you would have seen if you were acually reading the words say and not what you want them to say so that you can insult Christians.


  6. Geez. No wonder you dislike Christians so much. See me? I’m that guy sitting on the ground, not seated anywhere near Drake.


  7. Buffy: I’ve seen that quote before and am mentally hitting myself that I didn’t remember it.

    Chappie: So their vision of America is diametrically opposed to the writings laid out in the Constitution and supporting documents of the time? And they call themselves origionalists? Am I missing something?

    Matthew: Thank you for pointing out my error. I did read not just the words but also the interpreted the intent of the writers.

    cl: I do not dislike Christians, of any of the 30 or so thousand sects, as individuals. I do dislike the distortions that belief in a mythical skydaddy has injected into education, politics, medicine and science. Belief in an omnipotent being is, in and of itself, harmless. When a person knows that god(s) has revealed to them the only correct answer to anything, weird things happen quickly.


  8. Billy
    As long as they keep praying for his death Obama is safe.It’s when they stop and some nut-job tries to think of other ways. Then worry!


  9. Weird things happen quickly whenever anybody usurps the moral highground.


    • The moral high ground can only exits throught the grace of God. To imply that morality can have a human base is to seed the to the devil that which belongs with God. If anyone is usruping morality high ground or low graound, it is atheists, pagans, islams and other worshippers of the fallen angel.


      • (((Billy))),
        Do you pay this guy? This is top-notch comic relief. Every atheist blogger should have one of their own.

        On the original topic, as reprehensible as Drake
        and his ilk obviously are, my immediate reaction to prayer, imprecatory or otherwise, is “Ho, hum.” I worry about it as much as I do vampire attack and the Evil Eye. Dax is right, it’s when they stop that I duck.


      • No, Postie, he’s a volunteer. Doesn’t have the same monomania and forced snobbery of Reggie, but he is entertaining.


  10. I would just like some consistency from the government. IF this nation does actually trust in a god, and the invocations before the swearing in of officials, the calls by officials for prayers for everything from rain to the safe return of troops, and even the pleading at the end of many speeches for a god to bless the US, then it must be believed that there’s power in imprecatory prayer and if that’s the case, these fuckers should be round up for treason.

    Now of course if the government’s stance is that prayers hold no power and thus, imprecatory prayers for the death of our President are harmless, then that’s cool and I’m fine with that, but you can’t have it both ways. Either this god answers prayers or it doesn’t. Make up your mind or hey, here’s a thought – don’t. Don’t make up your mind at all and just stay the fuck out of religion as the Founders intended.


  11. Dax: But you know that there are more than a handful out there who see themselves as god’s warriors.

    Philly: Damn. Once again, you find the perfect way to bring it together. I’ve heard elected and appointed officials claim that prayer before a meeting is merely a nod to history. Is imprecatory prayer merely a nod to insanity?


  12. Drake is a very sick person. I’m not a psychologist, but even to an untrained person like myself, he seems to be suffering from a few mental illnesses. One being megalomania. He’s obviously having delusions of grandeur. I’m wondering why the elders of the FSBC have not thrown him out of their church. They actually pay the mortgage on the house that he and his wife reside in. He’s proof that having a Phd does not unnecessarily mean that a person is sane.



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