Christianists: Please, Make Up Your Mind!

26 April, 2009

When the kids were in elementary school, the wife and I, as good parents are expected to do, got involved with the PTA.  I remember the president explaining what, exactly, the PTA did.  One of the things that they did was give all the kids a Christmas party. 

My wife, immediately, said, “What?”

The president lifted her chin, looked down her nose (which was a trick since it was a sloped room and we were at the top) at us and said, “Most of the kids are Christians.”

“What about the ones who aren’t?” my wife asked.

The president sighed and, as if talking to a five year old, said, “Well, most of the kids are Christians.  And majority rules.”

We stayed involved in the PTA for a quite a few years and tried, very hard, to change that ‘majority rules’ bullshit.  We failed.

Recently, at a school down in Florida, the parents of two 3rd graders objected, in court, when their children were forced to learn a Christian dominionist anthem for a school performance.  At first, when the parents objected, they were told that the children did not have to participate in the school program.

The district’s superintendent pulled the song after receiving a complaint from a parent hours before the lawsuit was filed last week  in federal court, a school district spokeswoman said.

But the parents’ lawyer said they are still entitled to damages because their children were required to learn the song. They are seeking to bar the school district from the “religious instruction” the song represents.

The song, recorded by country group Diamond Rio, speaks of God’s place in American history and urges followers to stand against attempts to secularize society.

Take a look at the comments at the bottom of the news story.  They run about ten-to-one against the parents of the children.  And, in many of the comments, either ‘majority rules’ or ‘we are a Christian nation’ seem to be the main argument.

In Kentucky, a mother objected to a ten commandments display in her child’s public school classroom.  She, and her family, were ostracized.  In Santa Fe, Texas,

Debbie Mason had long been active as a volunteer in the school attended by three of her daughters. . . . But she quickly became an outsider after she challenged the football game prayers in the town’s high school stadium. Debbie endured ostracism, even threats of drive-by shootings. One of her daughters, Jenni, left church in tears one Sunday morning after a school board member denounced her family from the pulpit.

For American Christians, the idea that majority always rules is a comfortable part of their life.  Even if something is blatantly unconstitutional, if the majority likes it, it must be okay.  Quick history lesson, folks:  the Constitution of the United States of America exists, in part, to protect the minority from the majority.

Yet, at the same time that Christians (and yes, I know that I am painting with a broad brush here, but this is a polemic;  I know groups such as Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, run by the Reverend Barry Lynn, are quite effective fighting to maintain a secular government) scream that they are being persecuted.

Worthy News posts an article about Christian persecution:

More Christians died for their faith in the twentieth century than at any other time in history, says Christian Solidarity International. Global reports indicate that over 150,000 Christians were martyred last year, chiefly outside of the United States. However, statistics are changing: persecution of Christians is on the increase in the United States. What’s happening to bring about this change?

According to some experts a pattern is emerging reminiscent of Jewish persecution in post war Germany. “Isolation of, and discrimination against Christians is growing almost geometrically” says Don McAlvany in The Midnight Herald. “This is the way it started in Germany against the Jews. As they became more isolated and marginalized by the Nazi propaganda machine, as popular hatred and prejudice against the Jews increased among the German people, wholesale persecution followed.  Could this be where the growing anti-Christian consensus in America is taking us?”

Notice that they claim that Christians are being isolated and discriminated against.  I do not accept the isolation argument — drive down I-81 from Hagerstown to Roanoke;  count the crosses.  Discrimination?  Nevertheless, they insist that discrimination and isolation is there, and it is “growing almost geometrically” and wonders if this means that Christians in America could be facing the same thing Jews faced in NAZI Germany.  And who is behind this?

Manly P. Hall once wrote, “They are the invisible powers behind the thrones of earth, and men are but marionettes, dancing while the invisible ones pull the strings.” Satan’s string pullers have patiently manipulated unregenerate architects of American society for over five decades, networking both visible and invisible principalities to discredit Christian causes. Indicators reveal the propaganda blame-game against western believers is working.

Satan’s string pullers?

On Bigfiles.net,

America from its inception has been a God-fearing, Christian nation. Our forefathers made sure that this became a part of our heritage. However, in modern America, certain forces are attempting to rid America of the Christian faith. The faith of America’s founders is hanging on by a thread. Even though churches in the United States are still operational, the spirit of Christ is being attacked throughout the land. Therefore, the persecution of Christians is growing in the United States.

Because the writer believes (against all evidence) that America is a Christian nation then, because we are living up to the Constitution of the United States, Christians are being persecuted.  Then he repeats the same (almost verbatim) tripe about ‘Satan’s string pullers’ and ‘Christians will face a holocaust’.

Please, Christian religious right:  MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!!!  Either Christians are a persecuted minority, isolated and persecuted by the courts, the government, the schools, the publishing industry, the music industry, basically, just about everyone, or Christians are the majority who get to make the rules.  Either one.  It cannot be both.


  1. I really don’t understand where this idea of mob-rule being constitutionally sanctioned comes from. What happened to cause so many Americans to fundamentally not understand how their own government and society works?

  2. It’s time to drag the old pie chart out:

  3. Craig: At least part of the problem is that some politicians feed this idiocy to gain or maintain power and/or money.

    Oz: Excellent.

  4. Craig asked how Americans don’t know how their government works. Easy…homeschooling. Christian homeschooling is one of the scariest things our country faces.

  5. Poodles: Power-hungry politicians and Christianist home schooling. Makes sense.

    But remember: the ruling majority is being oppressed because they cannot do what they want all the time.

  6. All of these morons need to get off the Slip ‘n Slide with this crap about ‘this is how it started in Nazi Germany’.

    “…over 150,000 Christians were martyred last year, chiefly outside of the United States. However, statistics are changing: persecution of Christians is on the increase in the United States.”

    First, I want to know exactly what “chiefly” means. In other words, how many Christians were killed for being Christians in the US last year?
    Second, I want “persecution” defined. Throw in examples of what the fuck they consider discrimination as well.
    Third, connect the dots between killings and alleged persecution, because otherwise there’s no fucking point to following up a Christian death toll with a persecution claim in the next damn sentence.

  7. Well, Philly, obviously, since a majority of Americans are Christians, then a majority of those killed are Christians, and since no one would ever murder a Christian for money, or revenge, or a love affair gone bad, or adultery, or as part of any other crime, then they are victims of pseudo-NAZI persecution, right?

    I also found it interesting that multiple sites use the same verbage word for word. And not one of them defines any of it.

  8. You have nailed this one. My question to Christians however, if you’re so interested in majority rule, then perhaps with globalization, should we let the majority religion decide who and how everyone is to worship? Ahhh, I thought not!

  9. Homeschooling certainly doesn’t help, but what percentage of the population attends homsschool? I tend to think that even larger problems are the dismal lack of funding & lack of competent teachers in public schools.

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  11. James: Welcome to my blog. Good point. Then again, Christians (at about 33% worldwide) have a plurality, so it could get complicated. (Source)

    Craig: Though home-schoolers make up a small percentage of school children, it never ceases to amaze me how many school districts have school board members who either home school or send their kids to private schools. I know a few competent teachers who have gone into other lines of work after years of dealing with born again Christianist dominionist asshats in charge of schools.

  12. drive down I-81 from Hagerstown to Roanoke; count the crosses.

    I started a bit south of Hagerstown, but I saw most of the crosses with my own eyes when I was on vacation last week. I think new ones appear every time I go down that road.

  13. Chappie: Every time we drive to Florida down that highway it just gets worse. Which is too bad. The Cumberland and Shenandoah valleys would be great places to live except for the infestation.

  14. The faith of America’s founders is hanging on by a thread.
    So, America is a partly Christian, smidge deist, with a surprising number of heresies nation? That doesn’t really slip off the tongue. About the only things the Founding Fathers had in common was their love of short pants and frilly collars (they even fought over the secularism vc theism base while drafting the Constitution. The theists lost).

    “Craig: Though home-schoolers make up a small percentage of school children, it never ceases to amaze me how many school districts have school board members who either home school or send their kids to private schools.”
    The neo-Cons think that government doesn’t/can’t work, and when they are in power they prove it. The Christian homeschoolers think that public education is wrong (evil!), and go out of their way to break it.

    It’s majority rules in the “Christian Nation” of the gool ol’ US of A, but in China the Christian minority is being oppressed. Oh, woe! Can’t we have our cake and eat it too?

  15. It amazes me that so many of the home-schoolers insist that their kids be allowed to try out for the sports teams of the public schools they dispise, at least around here.

    They say they pay their taxes so why not? Even though the rest of the school is too slimey for their kids.

  16. One sure way to gain power is to claim persecution from the powers-that-be directed against your group. There’s always something real, or close enough, that government does that can be claimed as persecution. If you scrub it up and make it shiny and bright then the group will stop thinking and will follow you into hell. (There is in that statement the questionable assumption that they have not already stopped thinking, or are not engaging in groupthink, both of which are religious afflictions.)

    But the ridiculous part of the whole Christian persecution thing is that most of the so-called Christians aren’t anywhere near being Christian. Hell, they’re not even trying. They lie, deceive, cheat, manipulate, twist, distort, and did I say lie, to prove how great their religion is. They prize ignorance and arrogance and denigrate intelligence and reason (“Reason is the enemy of faith”).

    One hundred fifty thousand is not enough. These clowns have no frigging idea what real persecution is. Though one must admit, given their violent threats and actions against anyone who disagrees with them, they have an inkling… of course, it’s not persecution when they do it – no, when they do it, it’s Godly and Christian and the right thing to do.

    Fuck ’em all.

  17. Sarge: Were you expecting consitency?

    Ric: However, when the ones who are, basically, running things are screaming that they are being persecuted, it makes me wonder. Then again, to an American Christian, having to follow the rules is considered persecution and, since the government enforces the rules, it is easy for Christians to find something to whine about.

  18. Ever have the misfortune of watching one of those ridiculous 16th birthday shows on MTV? Spoiled little bitches whining about not having a big enough limo, or whatever the fuck for their birthday extravaganza. Boo hoo, boo hoo, entitlement, entitlement.

    Christianity is like that.

  19. Philly: I’d rather listen to the complete works of Yoko Ono than watch one of those shows, but I do know what you are talking about. When I was a raft guide, we often had summer camp groups. I remember being 16, having just sold my comic book collection to buy a 1970 VW Microbus, and one of the camp kids complaining that her parents had bought her a Corvette when all the cool kids drove VW Cabrios. I made sure that, in every rapid, she got wet. And yeah, Christianity is a little like that.

  20. Philly nailed it. Exactly.

    On a more personal note; who do I have to fellate to get promoted to Satan’s String Puller? I’ve been Beelzebub’s Yarn Stretcher, 3rd Class for ages now and it’s time I got a little recognition from down low.

  21. Oh, the persecution!

    This is a couple of months old, but I just saw it and it’s hysterical on many levels, but Louis does talk about entitlement. It should also be funny since I think you, me and Louis are about the same age (you’re older, of course).

  22. Postie: Um, felleting no longer pleases the super-hyper-conservative. Now, you must teabag Him. Haven’t you been paying attention?

    Philly: I think of myself as a kid on the internet tube thingie. I am a newbie athiest. And I’ve only been blogging for 15 months. You are much older than me in the ways that matter.

    And, as they said down in WV, you’re only as old as who you feel.

  23. Well as Groucho used to say, you’re only as old as the woman you feel. 😉

  24. Philly: Much more acceptable.

  25. I don’t know how this went off on a homeschooling tangent, but I would like to stand up as a secular homeschooler. Not everyone who homeschools is a dominionist seeking isolation.

    Anyway, Christians certainly seem to enjoy the mantle of persecution.

  26. Jonathon: Thanks for stopping by and thanks for birnging up a good point. (((Wife))) and I home-schooled our kids for a couple of years. I think that all (or, at least, I hope that all) here are cognizant of the fact that there are many non-fundogelical homeschoolers. There are a minority, but I think we all know they exist. When we spout off about homeschooling, we sometimes (and I’m guilty of this myself) use blog shorthand and don’t actually define which segment of the generalized population we are targetting with the comment. I shall try to be more exclusive (damn, don’t hear that coming from a liberal too often) in the future.

  27. Philly – that video clip is great (but don’t expect me to tell you my age).

  28. […] minority while simultaneously persecuting non-Christians based on “majority rules.” Christianists: Please, Make Up Your Mind!. For American Christians, the idea that majority always rules is a comfortable part of their life. […]

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